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Nas and BubbleUPNP server - fblack - 06-10-2022 08:43

Hello everyone. I know it is bad form to post on a forum about software that isn't from the same company, but it is relevant to my use of Minimserver.

I got my fingers burnt with a Synology NAS (DS116). I had been using BubbleUPNP Server, but I updated to DSM 7: BubbleUPNP Server isn't compatible, and since the NAS is not intel-based, Docker can't be installed.

Would anyone care to suggest an alternative to BubbleUPNP Server? (other than DS Audio, which I can't get on with). [For those who don't know, BubbleUPNP Server (https://bubblesoftapps.com/bubbleupnpserver2/) lets me stream my music library, as indexed by MinimServer over the internet to my phone in the car].

OR, it is perhaps time to change the NAS. I have three options. Is anyone running BubbleUPNP Server on any of these? Does it run natively (ie not through Docker)? I assume MinimServer will install on any of these equally well?

Synology ds920+
Asustor AS5304T
QNAP TS-464

With many thanks in advance for your help

Fergus

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - lyapounov - 06-10-2022 13:54

The issue with BubbleUpnp is DSM 7 which has changed the permission logic. The developer has been clear: he will not make a DSM7 version of bubbleUpNp

So any synology on DSM6.x is perfect. Qnap is good. But not any other without docker.

Cf. https://bubblesoftapps.com/bubbleupnpserver2/docs/nas_install.html

A last point: bubbleupnp does not stream anything. It just emulate OpenHome protocol; nothing more. It is still minimserver which streams.

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - fblack - 06-10-2022 17:03

Thanks @lyapunov, that's a helpful summary. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - simbun - 06-10-2022 17:19

Have you thought about using a VPN to the home LAN? This would remove the need to use BubbleUPnP Server for internet access, and be much more secure to boot.

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - fblack - 07-10-2022 17:08

Thanks @simbun for the VPN to LAN suggestion. I confess that I have never done anything like that before, but I am willing to give it a try.

Is this the correct set of instructions?

https://kb.synology.com/en-my/DSM/tutorial/How_do_I_set_up_my_Synology_NAS_as_a_VPN_server

Also: would I then use BubbleUPNP as normal, but connected to the NAS by VPN?

Many thanks

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - simbun - 07-10-2022 17:39

(07-10-2022 17:08)fblack Wrote:  Thanks @simbun for the VPN to LAN suggestion. I confess that I have never done anything like that before, but I am willing to give it a try.

Is this the correct set of instructions?

https://kb.synology.com/en-my/DSM/tutorial/How_do_I_set_up_my_Synology_NAS_as_a_VPN_server

Also: would I then use BubbleUPNP as normal, but connected to the NAS by VPN?
Hi @fblack,

I don't have a Synology, but it looks like the right place to start. Given the instructions are minimal I assume that once you've selected OpenVPN (or WireGuard if it's available) it steps you through the rest of the process.

Given you've already got BubbleUPnP server working remotely I assume you know how to open a port on your router.

Once it's set up, you'll need to install the OpenVPN/WireGuard app on your phone and configure with your Synology's credentials and assuming MinimServer is also on the Synology then it should just appear in BubbleUPnP. If MinimServer isn't on the Synology, getting UPnP to work over a VPN can be troublesome, so hopefully that's not the case.

Would be helpful if anyone with a Synology has any input at this stage.

One thing to check up front, are you using BubbleUPnP server for anything other than internet access e.g. transcoding e.t.c, as you'll just get vanilla MinimServer through the VPN.

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - fblack - 07-10-2022 17:47

Thanks @simbun. I'll report back in due course. It'll probably be a few days at the earliest. Regards

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - ophspeed16 - 28-09-2023 10:02

(07-10-2022 17:39)simbun Wrote:  
(07-10-2022 17:08)fblack Wrote:  Thanks @simbun for the VPN to LAN suggestion. I confess that I have never done anything like that before, but I am willing to give it a try.

Is this the correct set of instructions?

https://kb.synology.com/en-my/DSM/tutorial/How_do_I_set_up_my_Synology_NAS_as_a_VPN_server

Also: would I then use BubbleUPNP as normal, but connected to the NAS by VPN?
Hi @fblack,

I don't have a Synology, but it looks like the right place to start. Given the instructions are minimal I assume that once you've selected OpenVPN (or WireGuard if it's available) it steps you through the rest of the process.

Given you've already got BubbleUPnP server working remotely I assume you know how to open a port on your router.

Once it's set up, you'll need to install the OpenVPN/WireGuard app on your phone and configure with your Synology's credentials and assuming MinimServer is also on the Synology then it should just appear in BubbleUPnP. If MinimServer isn't on the Synology, getting UPnP to work over a VPN can be troublesome, so hopefully that's not the case.

Would be helpful if anyone with a Synology has any input at this stage.

One thing to check up front, are you using BubbleUPnP server for anything other than internet access e.g. transcoding e.t.c, as you'll just get vanilla MinimServer through the VPN.

I'm not the original poster, but have been trying to do the same thing. I've installed OpenVPN on both my Android phone, and on the (Synology) NAS. All working fine and connecting OK. MinimServer is installed on the NAS and shows up on BubbleUPnP on my phone perfectly when I'm at home and thus not connected via VPN.

When I leave home and connect to the NAS using OpenVPN on my phone, it's hit and miss whether MinimServer appears on BubbleUPnP. Sometimes it's there, and when it is it works fine, but more often than not, it is not shown in the list of libraries. The Synology Media Server is usually visible (more than MinimServer) but even that is sometimes not listed either. Any ideas? Thanks

RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - simbun - 29-09-2023 20:59

(28-09-2023 10:02)ophspeed16 Wrote:  When I leave home and connect to the NAS using OpenVPN on my phone, it's hit and miss whether MinimServer appears on BubbleUPnP. Sometimes it's there, and when it is it works fine, but more often than not, it is not shown in the list of libraries. The Synology Media Server is usually visible (more than MinimServer) but even that is sometimes not listed either. Any ideas? Thanks
I had read that if OpenVPN is installed on the same machine as MinimServer it should be ok, but maybe not.

I can think of 3 options:
  • Install BubbleUPnP Server somewhere else on your LAN (then you should be able to configure BubbleUPnP to use it to access MinimServer)
  • Ask @bubbleguuum for the ability to manually configure UPnP servers in BubbleUPnP
  • Try something like the MediaMonkey app as it does appear to allow you to manually configure servers


RE: Nas and BubbleUPNP server - Phil A - 12-10-2023 13:14

Synology also works with their own DS Audio App