Multiple Genre display issue on LUMIN app‏

[Yazsan55]

I have LUMIN A1, connecting to QNAP NAS, running MinimServer.
I have issues for multiple genre display in LUMIN App.
When I define the genre in JRiver for DSF files the result comes back not-intendedly.
Classical; Concerto ---> LUMIN App displays only Classsical
Classical\Concerto-----> LUMIN App displays Classical\Concerto
In MinimServer Properties->TagCustom setting I set it all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag

It should display in Classical AND Concerto.
I have no issue with FLAC files.

Your help is much appreciated.

[simoncn]

(13-11-2014 00:35)Yazsan55 Wrote:  I have LUMIN A1, connecting to QNAP NAS, running MinimServer.
I have issues for multiple genre display in LUMIN App.
When I define the genre in JRiver for DSF files the result comes back not-intendedly.
Classical; Concerto ---> LUMIN App displays only Classsical
Classical\Concerto-----> LUMIN App displays Classical\Concerto
In MinimServer Properties->TagCustom setting I set it all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag

It should display in Classical AND Concerto.
I have no issue with FLAC files.

Your help is much appreciated.

The format used by JRiver for tagging multiple genres in DSF files with ID3v2.3 tags is incorrect according to the ID3v2.3 specification. JRiver uses a NUL character to separate the genre values, which is valid is ID3v2.4 but not in ID3v2.3.

To solve the problem, you need to convert the tags in your DSF files from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4. You can do this by using Mp3tag. To convert a file from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4 using Mp3tag, you need to change the Options > Tags > Mpeg > Write > ID3v2 setting from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4, then select the files you want to convert and click File > Save tag.

After you have done this conversion to ID3v2.4 using Mp3tag, you can use JRiver for future tag editing. If JRiver finds an ID3v2.4 tag already in the file, it will leave it as ID3v2.4.

[Yazsan55]

(13-11-2014 11:27)simoncn Wrote:  

(13-11-2014 00:35)Yazsan55 Wrote:  I have LUMIN A1, connecting to QNAP NAS, running MinimServer.
I have issues for multiple genre display in LUMIN App.
When I define the genre in JRiver for DSF files the result comes back not-intendedly.
Classical; Concerto ---> LUMIN App displays only Classsical
Classical\Concerto-----> LUMIN App displays Classical\Concerto
In MinimServer Properties->TagCustom setting I set it all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag

It should display in Classical AND Concerto.
I have no issue with FLAC files.

Your help is much appreciated.

The format used by JRiver for tagging multiple genres in DSF files with ID3v2.3 tags is incorrect according to the ID3v2.3 specification. JRiver uses a NUL character to separate the genre values, which is valid is ID3v2.4 but not in ID3v2.3.

To solve the problem, you need to convert the tags in your DSF files from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4. You can do this by using Mp3tag. To convert a file from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4 using Mp3tag, you need to change the Options > Tags > Mpeg > Write > ID3v2 setting from ID3v2.3 to ID3v2.4, then select the files you want to convert and click File > Save tag.

After you have done this conversion to ID3v2.4 using Mp3tag, you can use JRiver for future tag editing. If JRiver finds an ID3v2.4 tag already in the file, it will leave it as ID3v2.4.

Thank you very much Simon.
This made a trick and I am very grateful for your support.

One last thing (I hope), Genre is now showing in multiple places.
But it doesn't do so for Artist ( ; or / or \ ).
I thought I need to change to
all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag, +Artist.display.multiTag
only getting error message saying it is conflicting with TagFormat value.
What should I do?

[simoncn]

(13-11-2014 23:23)Yazsan55 Wrote:  Thank you very much Simon.
This made a trick and I am very grateful for your support.

One last thing (I hope), Genre is now showing in multiple places.
But it doesn't do so for Artist ( ; or / or \ ).
I thought I need to change to
all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag, +Artist.display.multiTag
only getting error message saying it is conflicting with TagFormat value.
What should I do?

If you want to use multiTag for Artist, you can't also use tagFormat for Artist. This is because tagFormat combines multiple Artist values into a single string and Artist.display.multiTag sends each Artist value as a separate string.

[Yazsan55]

(14-11-2014 02:26)simoncn Wrote:  

(13-11-2014 23:23)Yazsan55 Wrote:  Thank you very much Simon.
This made a trick and I am very grateful for your support.

One last thing (I hope), Genre is now showing in multiple places.
But it doesn't do so for Artist ( ; or / or \ ).
I thought I need to change to
all.display.multiTag, +Genre.display.multiTag, +Artist.display.multiTag
only getting error message saying it is conflicting with TagFormat value.
What should I do?

If you want to use multiTag for Artist, you can't also use tagFormat for Artist. This is because tagFormat combines multiple Artist values into a single string and Artist.display.multiTag sends each Artist value as a separate string.

Thank you very much for your advise.

I deleted Artist.displayFormat={$artist$orchestra$conductor} from tagFormat and added +Artist.display.multiTag for tagCustom

It doesn' show the result I wish to see.
For example, if it is chamber music, there are multiple artists involved and I wish to display them separately in Artist window.
As Genre has been shown in that way with +Genre.display.multiTag and semi colon separation,
I thought +Artist.display.multiTag would do.

What exactly should I do?

Thank you very much for your help!

[simoncn]

(14-11-2014 08:08)Yazsan55 Wrote:  Thank you very much for your advise.

I deleted Artist.displayFormat={$artist$orchestra$conductor} from tagFormat and added +Artist.display.multiTag for tagCustom

It doesn' show the result I wish to see.
For example, if it is chamber music, there are multiple artists involved and I wish to display them separately in Artist window.
As Genre has been shown in that way with +Genre.display.multiTag and semi colon separation,
I thought +Artist.display.multiTag would do.

What exactly should I do?

Thank you very much for your help!

Do you see this with all types of files (FLAC, DSF, etc.)?

If there are any ID3v2 tags in the files with multiple artists, have you converted these to ID3v2.4?

Are you seeing the multiple artists anywhere in the LUMIN app, or just the first artist, or no artists?

[simoncn]

(14-11-2014 08:08)Yazsan55 Wrote:  It doesn' show the result I wish to see.
For example, if it is chamber music, there are multiple artists involved and I wish to display them separately in Artist window.
As Genre has been shown in that way with +Genre.display.multiTag and semi colon separation,
I thought +Artist.display.multiTag would do.

What exactly should I do?

Thank you very much for your help!

I have tried this and it seems that the LUMIN app uses a different approach for showing multiple artists than it uses for showing multiple genres. Instead of showing each artist separately (like the MinimServer All Artists index), it combines all the artists into a single string (like the MinimServer Artist index).

You can show the MinimServer All Artists index by selecting the "folder view" icon and then selecting All Artists. I think this is the artist list you want. For this artist list, it doesn't matter whether you are using multiTag or tagFormat.

[Yazsan55]

(14-11-2014 10:01)simoncn Wrote:  

(14-11-2014 08:08)Yazsan55 Wrote:  It doesn' show the result I wish to see.
For example, if it is chamber music, there are multiple artists involved and I wish to display them separately in Artist window.
As Genre has been shown in that way with +Genre.display.multiTag and semi colon separation,
I thought +Artist.display.multiTag would do.

What exactly should I do?

Thank you very much for your help!

I have tried this and it seems that the LUMIN app uses a different approach for showing multiple artists than it uses for showing multiple genres. Instead of showing each artist separately (like the MinimServer All Artists index), it combines all the artists into a single string (like the MinimServer Artist index).

You can show the MinimServer All Artists index by selecting the "folder view" icon and then selecting All Artists. I think this is the artist list you want. For this artist list, it doesn't matter whether you are using multiTag or tagFormat.

Thank you very much for your testing and clarification.
Yes Folder view for Artist display is something I am looking for.
I hope this cane be done from 'normal' tag view someday.

Thank you again for your help for this matter.

[simoncn]

(14-11-2014 11:00)Yazsan55 Wrote:  Thank you very much for your testing and clarification.
Yes Folder view for Artist display is something I am looking for.
I hope this cane be done from 'normal' tag view someday.

Thank you again for your help for this matter.

The term "folder view" may be confusing. What you are seeing is not a list of folders in your library but the top-level MinimServer "tag view" menu. One of the choices in the top-level MinimServer "tag view" menu is "folder view" (a view of your library's folder structure) and all the other choices are using the tags in your library.

[Yazsan55]

(14-11-2014 17:36)simoncn Wrote:  

(14-11-2014 11:00)Yazsan55 Wrote:  Thank you very much for your testing and clarification.
Yes Folder view for Artist display is something I am looking for.
I hope this cane be done from 'normal' tag view someday.

Thank you again for your help for this matter.

The term "folder view" may be confusing. What you are seeing is not a list of folders in your library but the top-level MinimServer "tag view" menu. One of the choices in the top-level MinimServer "tag view" menu is "folder view" (a view of your library's folder structure) and all the other choices are using the tags in your library.

Thank you very much for your information.
I kind of decided to be happy with Folder approach for Artist view.

Then today, I finally got LUMIN player I ordered and started playing DSF files.
Even when I click the track to start it makes small noise. Then the track changes to the next one with horrible noise.
This is unbearable!
I was aware of this issue of DSF, therefore, from advises on websites I did the following.
Use SACD extract to get DFF files from ISO file.
Then convert DFF files to DSF using JRiver.
This is meant to eliminate the noise.
It didn't.

Anyway, for a try I played DFF files, and yahooooo, no noise.
Downside is that I need to extract DFF files from ISO all over again.
Worse, there seems no tag support for DFF files which I was aware.

I know this is not MinimServer issue.
However, I assume you have heard this before and I wonder if you could give me your suggestion how to deal with this.